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[traumanurses] Re: Combative brain injured patients

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Subject: [traumanurses] Re: Combative brain injured patients
From: "Theresa Dinardo" <Theresa.Dinardo@atlanticare.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:38:06 -0500
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What role does esmolol have? We do not use this.

>>> Lisa.Leiding@stvin.org 11/13/03 05:28PM >>>

The brain trauma foundation -has really standardized our practice. The "gold" 
standard for them is to intubate patients who are GCS < 9 to protect the 
airway. GCS between 9 and 13 has been very individualized. We have at times 
convinced the MD's to intubate if it takes all of the nursing staff and 
security staff to keep a patient safe.
Drugs - well our neurosurgeons have asked us to stop using long active benzo's 
prior to their arrival so that they can assess the patient. Our standard at 
this time is to use Esmolol bolus in air and drips on ground. Up until we 
stumbled onto this happy medium the neurosurgeons were having to use electric 
muscle stimulator to ellicite neuromuscular responses. Now they can shut off 
the Esmolol and within minutes they can do a complete exam and we can turn the 
medication on and wean towards longer acting benzo's / paralytics / sedatives / 
pain medications etc...
This seems to be working well for us at this time. 
Lisa McLaughlin 
Santa Fe, NM 87505 
505-820-5708 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Carolyn Koehler [mailto:koehlercarolyn@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:47 PM 
To: TraumaNurses@TraumaNurseSoc.org 
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Hello All, 
     Our facility recently had an intoxicated combative trauma patient with 
high potential for a head injury.  This case prompted discussion regarding 
sedation without intubation vs. sedation/paralytics with intubation.  Does 
anyone have any literature/thoughts etc. regarding these types of patients?  
What drugs are most appropriate?  When to intubate?  -Lots of legal/medical 
components. 
Thanks, Carolyn Koehler APRN 
Trauma Coordinator 
Missoula, MT 
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